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What will the future of Penzance and Newlyn look like? You decide!

Discussion in 'Politics religion money and health' started by Halfhidden, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. Halfhidden

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    INTRODUCTION

    The regeneration proposals set out in these boards are based on ideas developed through a collaborative process.This has included working with representatives from Cornwall Council, Penzance Town Council, Ludgvan Parish Council, other statutory organisations, local businesses, voluntary organisations, community groups and the residents of Penzance and Newlyn.

    PREVIOUS CONSULTATION

    At the last consultation event in May this year there was strong support for our aim to improve the social and economic prospects for residents of Penzance and Newlyn by:

    Increasing developer/investor confidence in Penzance Enhancing Penzance's role as an important retail and service centre for west Cornwall

    Making Penzance an important business and tourist destination at the heart of Mount's Bay

    Protecting and improving the best bits of the area; the sea, parks and landscape, and high quality buildings

    Improving and varying jobs and businesses Raising the quality of new development and public spaces Ensuring that development is lasting over the long term Making getting around Penzance more pleasant
    DELIVERY

    Many past visions and ideas for Penzance have failed to be developed. We have sought to address this problem by:

    Developing proposals that can be delivered over time in phases Ensuring the majority of projects can be delivered by the private sector

    Giving private developers greater confidence to invest in Penzance through Cornwall Council's approval of the Area Framework Plan

    Proposing that only key projects within the transformational sites that qualify for Convergence European funding and can be delivered within the required timescale are put forward to the funding programme.This recognises that Convergence will not and can not deliver everything but if focused correctly it will play an important role in kick-starting the economic development of Penzance and Newlyn

    Final grant applications for Convergence European Funding have to be made by December 2013.

    PROCESS

    Following this period of consultation, the regeneration options will be refined in response to your feedback and ongoing feasibility testing.The final Area Framework Plan will go before Cornwall Council's Cabinet for approval with the first developments happening from then on.

    Following the positive feedback from the consultation we have developed more detailed proposals for key parts of the town. These development sites work together as a package with different areas having a special role which collectively supports the economic future of the town.

    Transport
    PROJECT OBJECTIVES

    • Move more through-traffic to the A30 to reduce congestion and spread the load across all approaches to Penzance

    • Improvements to Newlyn Coombe including priority signals and a safer junction with the A30

    • Develop a park and ride facility at Eastern Green to reduce car parking demand in the town centre

    • Improve distribution of car parking around Penzance

    • Create better parking at the top of Penzance town centre around Causewayhead

    • Create a cycle route linking Marazion to Mousehole

    • Establish the opportunity for a series of water taxi stops serving key destinations from Marazion to Mousehole

    • Manage and enforce traffic infringements

    • Sign and enforce heavy goods vehicle routes and times working with retailers and local businesses

    • This in turn allows:

    • A reduction in parking provision at Penzance Harbour

    • The transformation of Wharf Road and the waterfront into a pedestrian-friendly area by limiting through-traffic and introducing a priority lane across Ross Bridge.

    Improved traffic management is important in supporting the economy of Penzance and Newlyn. Giving more priority to pedestrians can open up key areas of the town and the waterfront to new business, creating a more vibrant and lively area. So, the long-term ambition, whilst recognising the needs of a working port and harbour, is to provide a better transport system for the town.
    View attachment 142
    8. Retain and improve historic walking route from Nancealverne Road to Polwithen Road and enhance as a cycling route

    9. New access from A30 to provide a new connection from A30 to Nancealverne Road as part of a development strategy

    10. Parking at St Clare as part of a campus style development, capable of being used as overspill car parking for the town centre for major events

    NEWLYN AND WHERRYTOWN

    11. Improve walking route along the Promenade and south of Newlyn Art Gallery to Jack Lane

    12. Improve the walking environment around Newlyn harbour and towards Mousehole

    13. Junction improvement at A30/ Newlyn Coombe

    14. Road safety and other improvements to The Coombe

    15. Better design and management of the bus stop on The Strand

    16. Additional new parking adjacent to The Coombe for people entering Newlyn from The Coombe
    LONG ROCK/EASTERN GREEN

    17. Improve walking route between A30 and Jelbert Way and across the railway line to the beach

    18. Introduce a new park and ride facility at Eastern Green serving Penzance, Newlyn and Marazion. Two potential locations - south of Eastern Green against rail line or as part of redeveloped land to north of A30

    20. Preferred Option-Switch the rolesofA30andJelbertWay with access to a redeveloped heliport site and other existing business from the A30 via a new roundabout

    o Provides more capacity for both strategic and local traffic
    o Create bus lane to promote use of park and ride
    o Create a green boulevard road as main route into Penzance

    21. Alternative Option - Retain existing roles of the A30 and Jelbert Way and reconfigure the'Tesco' roundabout to emphasise the A30's dominance as a traffic route and improve road capacity

    o Reduce congestion at the'Tesco' roundabout
    o Create bus lane to promote use of park and ride

    Green Spaces and Routes
    PROJECT OBJECTIVES

    1. Connect the open spaces which lie to the north of the Town Centre

    2. Enhance links between the countryside and the sea

    3. Promote walking routes between the area's formal gardens and the coast and other open spaces

    4. Encourage varied use of open spaces where appropriate, with a particular emphasis on providing a wildlife habitat or the storage of flood water

    5. Implement changes to the design, use and management of the open spaces so that they adapt to the demands of climate change

    6. Restore and create wildlife habitat using locally appropriate planting
    7. Where open spaces are within areas at risk of flood, more features that may slow water run-off and improve water quality should be established

    8. Outside the area at risk of flooding similar features should be introduced to reduce the impact of land based flooding

    9. Accessibility for people can be improved by using existing pedestrian and cycle routes better and establishing new ones. Where possible these routes should be associated with existing open spaces and parks.

    10. In urban areas tree planting should be undertaken to provide winter windbreaks and shade and cooling in summer (general)

    View attachment 143 Penzance and Newlyn benefit from a position on one of the most beautiful bays in the world. The town also has a network of green routes running through the town adding to the character of the town. It is important that any new development in the town responds to these assets and improves the routes where possible. Set out on the plan are a series of proposals for enhancing the green spaces and routes of the town. The inset plans illustrate how these proposals can be applied at the more detailed site level.

    . Improve the visual appearance of the A30 by enhancing the landscape

    12. Enhance existing and add new green space corridors running north along Posses Lane and through the heliport site. View attachment 144


    13. Promote local environmental improvements through the redevelopment of St. Clare and protect the routes between Nancealverne Road and Polwithen Road
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    14. Promote better access between Lariggan Gardens to the watewrfront west of the Promenade.


    15. New landscaping along Wharf Road to protect against south-westerly winds View attachment 146


    Penzance Harbour and the Barbican
    PROJECT OBJECTIVES

    • Expand Penzance town centre to increase retail and leisure opportunities and cater for population growth which in turn will increase visitor trips to the area and help the town retain more of its residents spending Create a welcoming and inviting gateway to the town centre to encourage visitors

    and improve its appearance.


    1.The town centre to be expanded to enhance retail and leisure provision in Penzance. This will cater for population growth and increase visitor trips to the area and help the economy.

    2. The green storage sheds adjacent to the wet dock are replaced with a new public space and kiosks to relate to a new marina and Trinity House

    3. Delivery of the ferry terminal proposal to enable future marina operation

    4. A first phase marina is created in the wet dock of Penzance harbour

    5. A second phase marina is created in the drying out dock of Penzance harbour by installing a new lock

    6. Employment, leisure and residential uses are developed in the harbour side, creating a lively and creative environment where businesses and people want to be

    7. Change the traffic flow south of the railway station

    8. Transform Wharf Road from Bramwell Mill to the headland, with managed traffic access to improve its quality as a key pedestrian and cycle connection adjacent to the marina.

    9 Through traffic is prevented through the introduction of a bus gate outside the Barbican pub

    10. A new central civic space is created as a 'market place' adjacent to Wharf Road to create a high quality space for events and activities

    11. Ensure views to St. Marys Church, the Marina and St. Michaels Mount are framed by any newly developed buildings

    12. Car parking and boat storage on the harbour site are reworked

    13. The existing 1960s buildings on the seaside of Market Jew Street can be redeveloped over the long term for new retail led mixed use development

    14. Two mixed-use development blocks are proposed between Coinagehall Street and Quay Street to improve this area and the views to St Marys Church

    15. A new public square is created to the front of St John's Hall to improve the setting of the building

    16. There is potential for an annex building as an extension to the rear of St John's Hall. Such development, whilst helping to cross subsidise the community uses of the main building, would be subject to commercial market demand and occupier interest.Creative venues (performance space, business space and shops) should form a more prominent part of the town centre.

    View attachment 148 Change the traffic flow south of the railway station. It will make pedestrian access to the town centre and harbour easier and much more pleasant

    Create a new marina. This will enable Penzance to benefit from the growth of the leisure sailing market and place it in a strong position for an expansion of boat and marina-related businesses

    Introduce employment, leisure and residential uses into the harbour side, creating a lively environment where businesses and people want to be

    View attachment 149
    There is an ambition for St. John's Hall to be used as a creative centre, providing workspace for creative businesses, flexible workspace for home-based creative businesses, and a multi-use space for private, public and community events. The building is seen as a potential venue in the Cornwall-wide proposal for the European Region of Culture.

    There is a strong community connection with St John's Hall and the building demands more effective and cost efficient use. The building needs to be integrated with the wider town centre arts venues, theatres and galleries. Constraints on public funding require venues such as these to establish a stronger commercial footing in order to sustain their activities. If a robust business plan is not possible, alternative more commercial uses may have to be considered to preserve the future of the building.

    In order to develop the commercial contribution to the building's sustainability an option has been considered that includes office expansion to the rear. Key issues include:

    • A realistic approach to long term maintenance and upkeep of the building and ownership implications

    • The development of strong business plan that recognises the need for long term viability of support to the arts and culture and a crucial need to avoid duplication of other project plans across the town

    Penzance and Newlyn Area Framework Plan
    WHARFS SIDE/HARBOUR CAR-PARK - TOWN CENTRE EXPANSION


    After Truro, Penzance is the best-performing shopping centre in Cornwall and there is strong interest from retailers seeking a presence in the town. There has been consistent lack of suitable development sites identified for the town centre to expand in line with latest retail expenditure projections. Commercial development on the harbour car park could significantly transform the town whilst maintaining strong links with the existing main retail area along Market Jew Street. Key issues include:

    • The need to keep town centre car parking

    • The relationship with the proposed marina and the harbour area generally

    • The viability of a commercial development on the car park and its ability to attract investors

    • The car park will be developed over two phases

    • The first phase will see new retail, leisure and employment space developed on the northern part of the harbour car park

    • If a new decked car park were constructed this would provide in the region of 500 spaces. The car park will be surrounded by new commercial development, minimising its visual impact

    • Leisure uses will be in the form of cafe's and restaurants with office employment space above

    • In the short term the southern part of the car park will be used as event space and car park during the summer and boat storage during the winter until off-site storage solutions are developed

    THE NEW BARBICAN AREA - CREATIVE QUARTER

    There has been considerable enthusiasm expressed for a high quality, mixed-use commercial and creative industries development in this location including a centre for self employed businesses. This will help link the harbour back to the town centre.

    Key issues include:

    • Demolition of the green sheds / reordering of harbour side boat services

    • The relationship of the proposed development with Jubilee Pool

    • Integration with the improved ferry terminal

    • A private sector development partner will be required to work with Cornwall Council on this opportunity.

    View attachment 150 ST CLARE - NORTHERN GATEWAY

    There is real potential to create a high quality mixed-use commercial office and

    residential development which will reinforce the existing leisure uses in the area and

    create an improved northern gateway access to the town centre. Key issues include:

    • The need to stimulate market demand for offices by demonstrating quality development

    • Confirmation of Cornwall Council's future accommodation needs and the timing of any changes

    • Traffic management solutions to better organise access to and movement within the site

    • The appropriate scale and mix of development ideas to be accommodated

    Design Response

    1. Develop St Clare for a mix of office, leisure and residential uses

    2. Reinforce existing landscaping to create a green campus environment for businesses and residents to enjoy

    3. Develop a phase 1 Convergence-funded serviced office centre in the short term

    4. Sympathetically refurbish the Listed building of York House to establish a heart to the development and the proposed phase 1 in particular
    5. The phased development allows the Council to rationalise its accommodation over time

    6. Consolidate access for vehicles at the eastern end of the St Clare site from Nancealverne along with a proposed road access point from the A30 to provide a new vehicular connection through the site. This will help relieve congestion on Nancealverne

    7. The level across the site and landscaping naturally lends itself to three distinct areas-one east of the footpath and two west of it

    8. The area to the east has potential to be a commercial business campus anchored by the listed building of York House (current council offices) and new public space

    9. A primarily residential area is possible to the west with the potential for some 'grow on' commercial space in the future adjacent to Nancealverne

    10. Space for future expansion of leisure uses and additional car parking are proposed to the west and south of the existing leisure centre respectively

    11. Phase 1 could include the construction of an eastern most building adjacent to the entrance from Nancealverne, to reinforce the gateway-feel into the site and also strengthen connections to Penwith College. Development would continue as the Council reorganises its space requirements at St. Clare.

    Newlyn and Wherrytown


    NEWLYN - FISHING VILLAGE

    With the new fish market moving ahead and the potential for new business units to be provided through Convergence funding, there is a pressing need to resolve traffic access and parking in the centre of Newlyn, to improve the sense of arrival for visitors and make more of the area's key assets. Key issues include:
    Design response

    1. The new fish market proposal will release land at the bottle neck on The Strand and open up views to Newlyn Harbour and the bay beyond

    2. Proposed environmental enhancements and improved traffic management along The Coombe and The Strand will prioritise pedestrian safety and movement

    3. Reuse of the Ice Works as a mixed use development

    4. The Promenade is made a focus for new public and leisure activities. Uses could range from events, cafes, storage for deck chairs and an information booth at Wherrytown

    5. Improve the appearance of the streets and pavements in Newlyn

    6. Promote the refurbishment and sensitive development of existing buildings along the landside of The Strand keeping commercial uses at the ground level

    7. Over time, there is a need to better define the role of the Promenade between Lariggan Road and Jubliee Pool and improving the link between Newlyn and Penzance

    8. Redistribute car parking more evenly along New Road with on-street provision and improve the visual appearance of the car park adjacent to Wherrytown, through a better balance of surface car parking and landscaping treatment

    9. Maintain provision for coach lay-over in Wherrytown whilst improving the traffic routes along the waterfront
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    Eastern Green and Long Rock
    EASTERN GREEN AND LONG ROCK


    A long-term development solution is required that will enhance this important gateway to Penzance and capture the interest of the private development market. Key issues include:

    • The stated plans of British International to relocate helicopter maintenance operations to Newquay Airport

    • The implications of the Shoreline Management Plan on the land and the railway

    • The planning challenges from potential retail expansion

    Design response

    1. Improve entry into Penzance with a focus on environmental enhancements along the A30 corridor to create a boulevard feel incorporating a priority bus lane, public art, landscaping and lighting to provide a better gateway feel

    2. Introduce a park and ride facility.

    a. Preferred Option - Switch the roles of A30 and Jelbert Way with access to a redeveloped heliport site and other existing business from the A30 via a new roundabout

    i. Provides more capacity for both strategic and local traffic

    ii. Create bus lane to promote use of park and ride

    iii. Create a green boulevard road as main route into Penzance
    2b. Alternative Option - Retain existing roles of the A30 and Jelbert Way and reconfigure the'Tesco'roundabout to emphasise the A30's dominance as a traffic route and improve road capacity

    i. Reduce congestion at the Tesco' roundabout

    ii. Create bus lane to promote use of park and ride

    3. Develop toilets, a cafe, bike hire and potential water taxi stop alongside park and ride facility

    4. Establish better north to south drainage infrastructure to manage local flooding. These improvements could also help to define pedestrian and cycle routes

    5. Introduce a leisure-led mixed use development near to Chy An Mor roundabout to strengthen gateway approach from the east

    6. Redevelop Eastern Green as an extension of Long Rock industrial estate

    7. Eastern Green will have a mix of employment uses which may include a household waste recycling centre

    8. Possible retail use to help fund environmental improvements to the A30 and Park and Ride facility (Alternative Option)

    9. Good quality frontages on Jelbert Way and A30

    10. Longrock continues to be developed for industrial uses with higher quality buildings, particularly where frontage is exposed to A30 and Long Road.
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  2. tabtab13

    tabtab13 Active Member

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    That's a lot to take in! A quick scan through and I think it looks pretty good - especially the 'Green Spaces and Routes' section. Will read through in more detail when I have the time. Hopefully there won't be anything snuck in there that I will feel the need to nit pick about or enter the thread under the name of 'Disgusted of Penzance' - we shall see .....!
     
  3. Halfhidden

    Halfhidden Untouchable Staff Member Administrator

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    @tabtab13 I was only halfway typing it out when you commented. You may wish to take another look.
    I had to stop and upload the information or fear loosing it halfway through.
    i have better images and maps if anyone would like me to email a high definition of these to you.
     
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    Mmmm ... that sounds ominous. Don't worry - I will be doing so.
     
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    Halfhidden Untouchable Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm only the messenger... don't shoot me :)
     
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    I've had another read through and I'm still seeing things I like, but I think my approach will be read, comment on one thing, come back and read again, comment, etc. I'm finding some of the things are written in 'Council speak' - meaning one sentence doesn't cover precisely what they plan to do and what it will actually involve.

    First comment today is parking. A Park and Ride at Eastern Green? I wonder just how big this will be and where it will eventually end up going? The parking plans in general. This is just a personal gripe - I cannot fault the Council for addressing the parking (and traffic situation), it's more of a comment about modern life and the way things are going generally. Even if the car had not been invented and we still used horse and cart for transport, the problem of space would still be the same today.

    In my heart, I am feeling romantic and nostalgic for the past today - even though my brain tells me the often harsh reality of times gone by does not match how it appears in my dreams.
     
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    There are many good aspects of these proposals, but my initial points that I raised elsewhere are that in a properly ordered Planning Control the area should NEVER have reached this point of a necessary regeneration, albeit relying on EU funding and the private sector. All of this is rather reliant on ifs and buts. The more companies involved the more complex the arrangements; I know from experience just what happens (or could be allowed to happen by subterfuge) when discussions begin at that level.
     
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    Taking the regeneration points as they are presented.
    A: Traffic
    Move more through-traffic to the A30, spread the load across all approaches to Penzance; is there more than one? Coming from Bristol, that is. I do not fully follow this statement.
    Improvements to Newlyn Coombe; about time
    Develop a park and ride facility at Eastern Green; park and ride good idea, but what of the tarmac and spread of car parks, damage to locale and wild life, tarmac prevents acees from rain to ground, affects local adhesion and tree support. Result dry valley. Result ground settlement and foundation failures.
    Improve distribution of car parking around Penzance; that needs very careful assessment and a reality kick.
    Create better parking at the top of Penzance; what does that mean in terms of traffic flow and controls?
    Create a cycle route linking Marazion to Mousehole; that has been mooted for years and the initial outcome was unsuccessful as it was poorly conceived.
    Establish the opportunity for a series of water taxi stops serving key destinations from Marazion to Mousehole; good idea except that besides the relief to traffic flow, has anyone noticed just how far out the tide can reach? This will despoil approach and cause a lot of upheaval with swimmers and oither water users, let alone wild life. We cannot look at this from the same viewpoint as happened with SS VIctor and so on sailing from Falmouth to Lamorna; Laws and awareness has changed dramatically in diametric opposition. There are also less favourable markets for willing cooperation; agreed variance with The Queen's Hotel and fishing boats has ceased.
    Manage and enforce traffic infringements; That is vital to impement the other proposals, very important - teeth needed.
    Sign and enforce heavy goods vehicle routes; again a vital conclusion.
    A reduction in parking provision at Penzance Harbour; excellent sense.
    The transformation of Wharf Road and the waterfront into a pedestrian-friendly area by limiting through-traffic and introducing a priority lane across Ross Bridge; about time, I only recently watched a lady fearful for her safety crossing Ross, she spoke to me of her absolute fear.
    Retain and improve historic walking route from Nancealverne Road to Polwithen Road and enhance as a cycling route; about time. It should never have been created as a dangerous route or allowed to fall into a disreputable state.
     
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    B: NEWLYN AND WHERRYTOWN
    To my view a major improvement from my experience as a pedestrian and in speaking to those with push-chairs, bikes and mobility chairs, is the signing of the steps at the end of the Promenade, at Lariggan. Although a 'bypass' can be done, notice of such is rather a hit and miss arrangement, so any improvemnt here will be of advantage. I have had to turn back many an intended routemaker on this frontage.
    In this region is the parking quadrangle for vehicles with disabled users. It is frequently occupied by fit abusive younger people, to the loss of space by those that need it. I have watched arguments between aged grossly disabled and ignorant selfish people who have just turned up to aggravate the swans or exercise their dog.
    Parking NEEDS official policing
    Improvements for bus stops and general walking scores lots of Brownie Points.
     
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    C: LONG ROCK/EASTERN GREEN
    As far as the road etc is concerned, users need educating and policing with suitable rewards against their licences in the use of the roundabout. This is not a fairground ride.
    Routes are any direction, any lane, any speed, including burn up. My observations whenever I have been in the area that it is a Death Zone. I avoid it at all costs. Any improvement at all is an advantage, and considering previous Planning and Highways, it is disgraceful it ever was allowed to descend thus far. This whole stretch of road is No Man's Land, it is Trench Warfare. Not for the pedestrian at all.
     
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    D: Green Spaces and Routes
    Absolutely no quibbles here, but I again ask, just whose remit was this before ... Planners and TPOs have never been a matter of good responsible sense. Only recently we have seen such an example (shown in tabtab13's album) of the hedges ripped to shreds, with a rotary tractor driven monster, when that kind of 'management' was conducted by trained gardeners acting in knowledgeable responsible fashion, in times past; now it is anything for the quickest, with the least number of personnel. Let us have some careful consideration for the consequences of brutal vandalism on this scale; who knows how many moths and birds were killed by that operation, for example. Who has considered the meaning of the loss of nesting sites, feeding for voles and mice ...
     
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    Off thread - and I promise I won't keep doing this, but in my eyes it was a classic case of human destruction for the sole purpose of humans and so nothing else matters.

    Soap box finished with and back in the cupboard, and now back to the thread ....
     
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    E: Penzance Harbour and the Barbican
    Assuming a generous resolution of the approaches and continued visitors, providing as they put it 'a welcoming and inviting gateway to the town centre to encourage visitors'; all makes perfect sense. The green sheds have been the harbour's important signature and of great use to its occupiers, and it is admitted that they are 'past their sell by date'. I have always found the area to be lively and creative, but that is me. Creation comes from within, not from having had some instant TV training course in creativity. Technique, yes, but creativity comes from the spirit, the soul. Any improvements to make this a safe environment for pedestrians, provided it is not Nanny State Bound, gets my vote. I note that pedestrianism is being heightened, after all the minute someone exits their SUV, they are tansmogrified into a pedestrian, like it or not.
     
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    F: Town
    Here we have a recognition of that inescapable observation as to the South side of Market Jew Street 'The existing 1960s buildings on the seaside of Market Jew Street can be redeveloped over the long term for new retail led mixed use development'. In my view it extends to just about every building after that date on that side. I rather hope that the stone road surfaces will be maintained, especially those that retain the indents of carriage wheel rims. I have just discovered two more rim runs. This is history direct of our society. No question 'St John's Hall', or more correctly, The Municipal Buildings are failing in their objective and use. The last extensions were extremely limited by Borough Council funding availability. It was never really the right answer.
     
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    G: THE NEW BARBICAN AREA - CREATIVE QUARTER
    Here is where New Speak begins, and no dictionary provided. However, the loss of 'green sheds is no loss, except perhaps to irregular use as a leaping point for skate boarders (I have been near missed on a number of occasions). Jubilee Pool (originally Bathing Pool) and the War Memorial should be developed with some sensitivity and with some considerable regard for present uses. ie any Private sector 'partner' should be appraised of present public rights BEFORE. I note that York House is earmarked for a sympathetic approach; I hope the same is applied to all buildings of note in the Town, though it does not specifically name them.
     
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    H: Newlyn and Wherrytown
    NEWLYN - FISHING VILLAGE

    Newly, as far as I can see, is to be sensibly managed under this proposal.
    As to The Promenade, So much has been lost and decimated over the last century, bearing in mind also the structure of the Promenade and its geological base, before any consideration of the 'focus for new public and leisure activities. Uses could range from events, cafes, storage for deck chairs and an information booth at Wherrytown' basic works should be managed to the overall structure, especially with regard to the advancing height of tide. Surcharge should be calculated as well as future weight of seawater as tides rise, it will not be that long before this will affect the front in a storm situation.
    Again in the pedestrianisation, I sincerly hope that Nanny State Provisions are not applied. It is also to be remembered that a better appearance of footpath may not be the Nirvannah, South Market Jew street paving has found its age far quicker that that on the Terrace. A Major problem with modern contracts is 'cheapest quote gets it'. In my book 'Cheapest means just that', it is cheap and nasty. Car parking on street in New Road? Just how much danger is needed to be created.
     
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    I: Eastern Green and Long Rock
    EASTERN GREEN AND LONG ROCK

    An obvious recognition for this area. It is poor. 'A long-term development solution is required that will enhance this important gateway to Penzance.' This area needs transforming from eyesore war zone, it requires a LOT of work, dedication and investement to present, as they put it this 'important gateway'. Just how is anyone to be convinced of 'new facades for old'. The Boulevard option may be the simplest (despite not being in France), but comes back to my understanding of the original scheme for the road (many years ago). I do not believe that a fast rewind facility is available for any other proposal, unfortunately. This effectively is a Betjeman 'friendly bombs' scenario, the result of poor Planning Policy over years.
     
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    tabtab13 Active Member

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    My thoughts are in line with what treeve has said in his various posts, so I won't repeat them here. I was just wondering how much more expensive it would be to build car parks underground rather than above. Any idea, treeve?
     
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    Halfhidden Untouchable Staff Member Administrator

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    Must be ten fold! Some things to take in to consideration are drainage, ventilation Fire exits, bed rock. Also this cost would probably double every layer you built down.
     
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    Hitler promised there would be 'work for all' and one of the ways he achieved this was the building of the autobahn network - although the more savvy realised this was for troop transportation rather than for the benefit of the general public! Unemployed and yet not looking for work but want to keep your benefits? Well, sign up here!
     

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