Lots of planes

46traveller

46traveller

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Has anybody else noticed how many planes are now flying over Cornwall and the Condensation trails just seem to linger and form light clouds?? Just seems strange to me.
A perfectly blue sky this morning, then lots of aerial activity causing light cloud over the region by lunch. These things seem to spread out and join up.
 
treeve

treeve

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All quite normal ... if anyone has concerns over flights, all domestic flights can be checked out on route paths for example
http://www.flightmapping.com/maps/Europe/
They are all scheduled out and timetabled. The number that do not fit those flight paths will obviously be military or survey aircraft. Ice particles form at near 30,000 feet, however, because aeroplanes are not a normal configuration of the atmosphere, planes can form trails at lower altitudes. The jetstream as well as other winds at high altitudes are greater than those experienced at ground level, a form of drag occurs, somewhat like a stirred coke. The trails either disappate through low level moisture content or through wind spread. At times they can take a long time to disappear. I am aware of the spreading worry about 'chemtrails' but in reality - to what purpose? The reason for a deployment? The variation in fact as to the spread of any chemical through the atmosphere to have any total effect on the mind, or other part, would require a blanket cloud. Then assuming it has a heavier than air constitution. Is this to encourage the spread of stupidity, the spread of the ability to challenge lies? If that was the case, 'they' must be flying in thousands over London and Washington. If any one wanted to poison a population there are easier ways to achieve that, and cheaper. Myself, I am as alert and questioning as always, so if 'they' have not trapped me, I have to assume the rest of the population has been got at by the BBC, The Sun or The Daily Mail. :)
 
46traveller

46traveller

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Condensation trails

Well nothing to worry about then. I don't think for one minute they are trying to harm us, but as the trails are still visible five hours later, and given all you say, water, or ice crystals at that altitude, being heavier than air, should fall, not form patterns.
These are not scheduled flights and are not using commercial flight paths. The normal flights are easily spotted the condensation trails they emit dissipate within three or so minutes. Any ideas on whether or not these military aircraft are using a different fuel.
Cheers
 
treeve

treeve

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The point is that if it is sourced from aeroplanes, aeroplanes are visible, they can be monitored by simple skywatching, a good pair of binoculars will generally identify them using a fairly standard aircraft spotter book, I used to be nuts on seaplanes. Now I have a hi res camera, do I see seaplanes? More a case of not seenplanes. It is all literally up there to be seen. Photograph and enlarge the image of the craft. You can keep a record of x y and z. Ice particles of water vapour and dust can often take a whole day to disappear, I have some pictures on here already. Any heavier than air particles would have gone long before the disappation of ice crystals. The delay in disappation or its spread is of no importance other than the measure of high altitude winds, moisture content at that elevation, and temperature at that level. I know that aircraft are all catalogued for spotters, it is a matter of getting that book.
Take a look through
http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/spotting.htm
 
ibrowze

ibrowze

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Gaps

So when there's a sudden visible cessation of a vapour trail from a high altitude, twin or more engined airliner looking plane which then around a minute later proceeds to deposit it's trail again, have the engines been switched off momentarily to leave this massive jet plane gliding at thirty odd thousand feet?
I witnessed such a break in a high altitude trail last year.
 
treeve

treeve

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Any vapour trails will be affected by temperature differentials, levels of humidity and the effects of aerofoil, as the air lifts the plane, it causes a flow over the wings, with a sudden burn (rather like putting the foot down in a car), this will affect the temperature through which any trails are formed. Also air is not a homogenous 'block' of gases. It has pockets of varying pressure and temperature, this is the reason behind winds, in exactly the same way as when swimming in sea water, a sudden cold current is hit.
 
treeve

treeve

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That is a whole different animal from what I was led to understand were chemtrails many years ago, before nano-technology. This is 'new', the gridding is bizarre and begs questions. The potential danger in nano-robots is the break up of DNA itself. That much I have looked at before. There is a lot of bio-chemical reading to be done, let alone the effects on the atmosphere. All this to monitor weather to provide a better forecast? To identify a combatant on a battle zone? Does Not Compute, Logical Failure.
 
ibrowze

ibrowze

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Skies over Penzance

I uploaded a photo last year snapped in Long Rock showing the Penzance sky looking like the photos in the link from 46traveller's earlier post. Not as many trails though as I saw at Rosudgeon car boot sale early last year. I kicked myself for not having my camera and am now more diligent, today uploading a photo in my Chemtrails album which resembles the big fat trail filmed in this following video link that also shows breaks in a trail: YouTube - Chemtrail Anomalies ..............verrrry interestink....
 
treeve

treeve

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My father always said that there were more outside lunatic asylums than in them; geo-engineering to fight a non existent global warming?
China has done more for Xíngxīng dìqiú than anyone else, by simply limiting their poulation growth rate. There are a few others out there that should never have been born.
 
ibrowze

ibrowze

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Did I miss something?

@ treeve....and the point you're making here about planes and their lingering visible trails is???
 
treeve

treeve

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The plan to control the effects of the sun with a reflecting layer in the stratosphere is lunatic. If indeed that is what it is. To use any other technology is dangerous for the planet and all who live on it. It cannot be selectively designed, unless the super race has had their DNA already manipulated, unless Josef Mengele is in there somewhere?
I am not sure what to make of it yet, but, I agree there is something of considerable concern here. You know very well that I am quite sceptical on some theories, others strike a chord, and others shout 'hang on a minute - that's right, it is a situation that has to be worth listening to', then there is the blatant yeah, string em up. This is one of the third. [911 and JFK are in the last section].
 
treeve

treeve

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Forgetting for the moment the other possible deeds in the stratosphere, take for one moment the idea of planting in the stratosphere a reflecting blanket, to deflect the light from the sun. Why? To prevent Global Warming, the new WMD. But I thought the GW was due to carbons in the atmosphere introduced by so many flights .... I thought the carbon foot print was to be curtailed on a personal level ... is your journey really necessary? Find a balloon somewhere. And the other plan is to have an volcano erupt ... excuse me, volcano? I seem to remember they release noxious gases? Like .. carbon? So, the idea is to have thousands more jets spanning the world casting their plaid weave on a daily basis. Is that not defeating their object? Send for the men in white coats. I take it this will only be provided for the US and Britain, so the rest of the world can cook. I seem to remember that the atmosphere is rather widespread, like, all over the globe? If there was a hanging curtain set at our sea borders, it may work for the two insane governments, but don't planes have to cross those sea borders? I have seen a bag of Brazils less nuttier. Spare us from politicians and bureaucrats that say 'I am not an expert in these things, that is why we have consultants to advise us' .. Now where have I heard that before ...? in Truro....
 
46traveller

46traveller

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Worldwide

After many hours online searching through the sites, this is occuring globally. The only reason the Native Red Indians have not complained about the trails is that they fear the drop in income from their Casinos if people think there is danger in the trails over Arizona etc. That in itself shows how money above all else has turned into a serious problem. If a race of people who are/were in touch with the Earth as a mother figure, to be respected and cared for in their daily lives, suddenly turn Bankers, then the White Man has truly conquered them without a shot being fired. Sad times indeed.......
PS
Yet another high trail day, they have been flying since early o'clock, turning the bright sunshine into a milky mess.
 
treeve

treeve

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A sorry state of affairs ... unless someone can obtain a sample of the chemicals used, it is all rather guesswork, but the most likely scenario does appear to be the control (attempted control) of the effects of the sun on our planet, and I emphasize OUR. I have been rather conscious of weather sky etc for years, since school, what with being in to world climate, volcanoes, plate techtonics, ice ages, etc., let alone being a keen photographer and enjoy a good stank across the mountains, to the skyscape is a fairly familiar scene. It is only very recently that I have become conscious of some trails being more lingering than others, and in the main they fitted with basic atmospheric science. I am now conscious of a spread of a 'film' at the stratospereric level. Which does remove the 'blue sky' from us mere mortals. The Native American Rights Fund is actioning against 'Global Warming' which 'is generated' by greenhouse gas emissions. So I suspect that is the reason for silence.

The world is not some football to be kicked around ...
http://labspace.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=5379
 
ibrowze

ibrowze

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Clever Clogs

Phew! I glanced at that pdf file and now my brain hurts. Don't you think we have a right to know about what's going on up there or should we remain uninformed purely on a 'need to know' basis. If we're causing global warming, how come the ice caps on Mars have been receding in recent years? Cydonia tractors?
 
treeve

treeve

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I am in some ways no better off than the average peasant in distant third world countries in that I have no television reception nor newspapers. However, I listen to what others have to say, ask questions in my mind, and look for myself, weigh up balances of probability and look as far as I can at evidence. I used to be a Short Wave Listener, the broadcast propoganda set against anti-propoganda is not that different from the mish mash on the internet. Unlike the general consensus, I search beyond the second page. On occasion I have exhausted the search engine's capabilities, but then I change the search parameters and find what I want by the back door. I feel I get a better picture than all the bias from media.
To answer you question, yes, the public have a right to KNOW but just how the planet is to be informed that a bunch of lunatics are spreading more possible problems for Mother Earth than they assume they are solving, I do not know. I have grave doubts that 'Global Warming' is anything other than residual warming from the last Ice Age.
 
46traveller

46traveller

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Chemicals

So many sites, so little time. Some reports state that samples of the rainwater in heavy spray areas in the USA have contained Barium and Zinc amongst other dangerous heavy metals, unknown chemicals. and fibres.

Aerosol Operation Crimes & Cover Up

If the intention of the exercise was just to slow the global warming situation these contaminates surely put that idea into doubt.
Having read http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/globalwarmingteller.pdf on page 21 they state that "International cooperation in the research phase based on complete openess is necessary". I think if the powers that be were trying to do good, the news would be full of it, explaining how they intend to "Save The Planet" award the Nobel Peace Prize to a bunch of scientists, and medals for the pilots who gallantly flew mission after mission to get the job done.
I'm just starting to look at the HAARP facility in the USA which may or may not be connected to weather control and/or a weapon using foil strips seeded by aircraft causing (in the worst scenario) earthquakes and floods. Sorting through the sites is time consuming, but if I want a complete view of the situation, I must read the ravings and rants of even the totally insane views. Who knows, they may just be onto something............ ::5:
 
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